I took the paper next door and showed it to Delores. He then drove his son back to the house and emptied both the guns on him, shooting him in his head and chest repeatedly. Delores never told me about Bob, said Wanda Flanery, Millers neighbor in Denver. I told my son-in-law to call the FBI and give them Bob and Delores address in Virginia.. He says today he felt he was letting the family down. Delores Miller in Maryland We found 34 records for Delores Miller in Silver Spring, Dundalk and 17 other cities in Maryland. But back in Denver, his former neighbors did recognize him, and called police. "I'm sure that if we recognize each other that we'll like each other's company just as we did here, when times were better.". I remember that I was amazed at the amount of blood that flowed out of her, List says. Its a twisted way of fulfilling my fathers request that I take care of her so she wouldnt suffer.. She said List, who spoke fluent German, attended a Lutheran elementary school and later went to public high school. The man called at the insistence of his mother-in-law, who was a friend of Mr. Clark's wife, Delores, and had kept in touch with the Clarks after their move to Virginia. His story was made into a hit TV movie starring RR. I was in despair, List says. None of them lying face down! List worked in Detroit and Kalamazoo, Mich., before rejoining the Army during the Korean War. Are you? It meant living above their means, and List eventually had to take out a second mortgage. Feb. 20, 2002 -- Thirty years ago, accountant John List methodically murdered his whole family his mother, his wife, and their three children. He took a new identity and also joined a Lutheran church, where he met his second wife, Delores Miller. Info about the house is hard to come by. As of 2018, Peggy, Dolores, and Connie are still alive. Meanwhile, back at Breeze Knoll, investigators found the I dont wish death on the CIC. In 1965, when List and his family moved to affluent Westfield, N.J., he seemed to be a model of suburban success and propriety. He was apprehended 18 years later in 1989 and was sentenced to five terms Redefining eerie. Undiscovered jackpot? On Nov. 9, 1971, after sending his children off to school, List took his two handguns out to the car to load them, then walked into the kitchen and shot his wife from behind as she was drinking coffee. While List wouldnt meet the legal threshold for madness, he was unquestionably deeply disturbed: mass murder as well as a later life of lies and deceit. . He was born as the only child in the highly religious German-American household. ''He didn't take them down.'' His father-in-law had heard from the county sheriff: After nearly 18 years, List had been caught. Quiet and Simple Life, In a telephone conversation with his closest friend in Richmond this week, he said only that he was ''sorry for any embarrassment he put me through or put his friends and relatives through. The rationalization for killing them was his way of eliminating an inconvenience and his own stress. Flanery received two letters from Delores Clark after she moved away. He resembledthe sculpture. Wertheimergave him life without parole. Sometimes, he added, Mr. Clark became so impassioned that sweat broke out on his brow. He went to the post office to stop the family's mail, then to the bank, where he cashed his mother's savings bonds, checking that he got the correct interest to the penny. Mr. Clark took with him no furniture or personal possessions other than boxes of tax materials, a neighbor said. Westfield police did not discover the bodies until nearly a month later. Jeanne, thanks for the kinds words and the research! He even had turned the thermostat down to 50 degrees to preserve the bodies.. All had been shot in the head. "I was perspiring like anything," he remembers, but said his wife did not seem to have recognized him. He later completed his masters degree in accounting and worked as an accountant in the military. Tamon Pendergrasss father has already died but his legacy is still alive. A deeply tragic case. ''Delores said it wasn't Bob,'' Mrs. Flanery recalled. She had a young daughter from her previous marriage. Mr. Clark moved to Richmond in February 1988. The neighbor had been suspicious about Mr. Clark for two years, after seeing a report on the List case in a supermarket tabloid. The Second Move Fertile Field For Tax Work. Id hate to see the heatingtab for the 19-room mansion that occupied 431 Hillside Avenue in Westfield, New Jersey. Picture in Supermarket Tabloid. List finally was tripped up after nearly two decades in hiding because his new persona was made in his old image--that of a wimpy, bespectacled accountant whose life centered around the Lutheran Church. Additionally, the financial burden on the family was increasing, causing him severe psychological distress. Your email address will not be published. She had been previously married and had a daughter. But what gets her really excited? A couple of sourcesclaim that the ornate housecontainedaskylight made ofLouis Comfort Tiffany stained glass valuable enough to bail List out of his financial problems. who writes: In 1895, he bought twenty-two acres of land a few miles northeast, and built a grand Victorian house atop a gentle knoll .. Wittke called his estate Breeze Knoll. Ted Oldson, an executive with the accounting firm of Brown, Whitley & Todd, interviewed him for a client, Roberto Distributing, a carpet wholesaler in Denver. List are unquestionably the same man. I said, Thats Bob, Flanery recalled. '', Although he hesitated before placing Mr. Clark in the Roberto job, ''I couldn't come up with a reason to say no,'' Mr. Oldson said. Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? Its first entry is R. C. Miller, a business he said was in Wheatridge, Colo., a suburb north of Denver. WebHe later married Delores Miller Clark. John confessed to committing the murders in February 1990. They attended church each week with List's mother, a strict Lutheran who lived with them. John List (murderer) (19252008), American mass murderer. He went on to wed again, join a new family and live in peace and anonymity for nearly two decades. He means it. Mr. Mr. Clark started doing work on the side for H & R Block. Delores was born in Racine, January 17, 1935, to John and Cecelia (Nee: Kirkegaard) Poulsen. I agree he wanted a fresh start. ''I knew it was Bob,'' she said. ''I don't say people can't change, and maybe God will forgive Bob. Moran said List had told people that his wife was an alcoholic spendthrift who nagged him constantly. A 2005 Freddie Mac-Roper poll also flagged by the FDIC concluded that more than 6 in 10 homeowners delinquent in their mortgage payments are not aware of services that mortgage lenders can offer to individuals having trouble with their mortgage., Hardly atypical. The Pilgrim Fathers could be described as extremists but theyre a fundamental part of American colonial history. The man who says he is Robert P. Clark apparently spent 17 years hiding behind little more than a cloak of ordinariness and a penchant for privacy before his arrest on murder charges a week ago, friends and acquaintances said. Morrison said that by 1977, Clark had begun to find work as an accountant, List's occupation before he disappeared. He said he found Mr. Clark ''a little strange.'' And I picked up a typewriter, and Bobby saw me. He was apprehended 18 years later in 1989 and was sentenced to five terms of life sentence. Why hadnt he just killed himself, Chung asks? She started working one day a week in a beauty salon. It may be more than coincidence that Miller is the former name of Mr. Clark's wife, Delores, In late 1987 Mr. Clark responded to an advertisment placed in a local newspaper by a Virginia empoyment agency. We've received your submission. At the news conference in Richmond, Mrs. Clark acknowledged seeing the picture. Mass Murderer, Overextended Homeowner P.S. By 1971, List seemed poised for a total financial collapse and didnt want his wife and kids to bear the shame of going on public assistance. The good news is, they *are* all in Heaven no doubt. To make ends meet, Clark had begun moonlighting for H & R Block, and his wife started working one day a week in a hair salon. The family attendedthe Redeemer Lutheran Church, where John taught Sunday school. He usually chose large apartment complexes where it was easy to remain anonymous. For conservatives, will the fact that nearly half the voters wanted Trump elicit a seemingly somewhat disconnected, arrogant liberal media to modify its stance, pausing to consider whether it adequately reflects and represents ALL the people rather than around just half or so? Her illness left astronomical medical bills, he'd tell me. I have to say though the wife had it coming for duping him and belittling him throughout the marriage. Heleft the house everymorning,pretending to go to work when he was really whiling away time reading or sleeping in the train station. The letter will be used as evidence if he goes to trial. The man who calls himself Robert P. Clark is charged with five counts of first-degree murder. This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. Returning home, he made several calls to explain that the family had gone to North Carolina to visit his wife's ailing mother, and that he was planning to follow by car. Mr. Oldson said he did not remember Mr. Clark's having references. We don't know if some of them are still I have all the books written on this case but can only put my hands on the one written by Joe Sharkey an excellent read btw! Meanwhile, back at Breeze Knoll, investigators found the bodies after neighbors summoned police because they hadnt seen anyone enter or leave the house in a month. Once, when I asked him, he said he was from Michigan.. Now you come in List with your perverted religious interpretations and go hog wild. Delores is survived At the time, said Robert Wetmore, a 72-year-old retired ranch hand, Clark was working at the Holiday Inn in Golden, just west of Denver. But ''around 1973'' he was working as a night cook at the Holiday Inn West in Golden, Colo., west of Denver, said Bob Wetmore, one of the few friends Mr. Clark would make in the next few years. Mrs. Stefano also recalled an evening at the Clark home when the conversation turned to the couple's origins. Then he sat down and wrote a confession letter to his pastor explaining his financial problems. Mr. Clark kept nothing personal in his office. He recollected that Mr. Clark wore ''things that didn't match'' and seemed to have been ''living hand to mouth, doing bookkeeping work. He spent his days at the train "I remember talking about funerals and cremation and burials. And youre obviously a lib. Rebecca Everett may be reached at reverett@njadvancemedia.com. The morning of November 7, 1971 began in a usual fashion. The unlikely story of his capture, the tip that led to it and the wild coincidences Gluck encountered as he followed the story are told in the latest episode of Father Wants Us Dead, an investigative true crime podcast about the List killings from NJ Advance Media. If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. At a recent news conference, she described him as a good husband with a deep and abiding faith in God. Trivia. According to Mortgage Bankers Associationdatacited by the FDIC, lenders foreclose on one in every 200 U.S. homes and one child in every classroom belongs to a family in jeopardy of losing a home because of difficulty meeting mortgage payments. List. The pollalso determined that homeowners fail to contact their lender because they are embarrassed, dont believe the lender can help, and/or believe it would cause them to lose their home more quickly.. Helen had turned into an alcoholic, which caused them to engage in a lot of fights. I guess I was thinking, well Ive started, now Ive got to finish it.. Finally, with the prospect of foreclosure threatening to expose his financial failure, List made his terrible decision to kill his family but not himself. He insinuated that it had been a bad experience.''. At this point, five years after the murders, Mr. Clark took the step of seeking full-time employment in his own field. From New York, he had traveled overland to Denver, where he began a new life under the name Robert P. Clark, working first as a hotel fry cook and later as an accountant for H&R Block. ''He was living meagerly, said he needed a full-time job,'' Mr. Oldson added. John was a strict Lutheran and hence, when he came to know about Helens pregnancy, he right away proposed to her for marriage. After making the decision, List says, there was no turning back. By 1971, he was still leaving for work every morning, but unknown to his family he was unemployed and unable to pay the bills. Instead she showed the newspaper to Mrs. Clark. certificate. I actually do try to keep this blog politically neutral we all need a break from partisanship. '', ''One thing about Bobby,'' the friend in Richmond said. The List murders were among the most grisly and puzzling in modern American crime because of the quiet methodical way that List killed his wife, mother, and three children in a day-long ritual of slaughter all because he was deep in debt and feared the family would break up under the burden of his financial woes. His free time was spent with Delores Miller and volunteering at church. His picture was also shown on television, which led one of his neighbours to notify the authorities. He became increasingly depressed. You can ask for redemption List, but the wise person doesnt put God to the test and He just may not be too interested about being a part of your puny plan. On their cul-de-sac, the Clarks were described as pleasant but distant. In 1989, America's Most Wanted featured List and a forensic sculptor's impression of how he would look then, 18 years after the murders. Agree. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. Moran said the first two killings occurred sometime in the morning. List later worked in Rochester, N.Y., and Jersey City, N.J., before taking his family to Westfield in 1955. Delores Hall is an American stage and television actress who made her Broadway debut as a replacement in the ensemble of Hair. Spooky landmark. John Lists friend wrote a book where it mentions they divorced and she was living in poverty. But, during a four-hour interview, he sought to explain how worries that financial hardship would split his family and turn them away from their faith forced him to make a tough decision. Death. Not to this horrific extent but nevertheless in some way that makes me uncomfortable to be around these type of people. It rippled through the county and state: John List, the man who had meticulously murdered his mother, wife and three kids in their Westfield mansion and disappeared without a trace, was in custody. ''I remember talking to him a few times about marriage, because I was having marital troubles at the time,'' Mr. Roberto recalled. "I feel when we get to heaven we won't worry about these earthly things. Why are we still having these debates? Get the day's top news with our Today's Headlines newsletter, sent every weekday morning. Mrs. Clark's job at a warehouse at the Fitzsimmons Army Medical Center did not pay enough to support the two of them, and they began to fall behind on their mortgage payments. The rare form of cancer has made it difficult for the dance teacher to walk, but she is hard at work to regain her ability in physical therapy . List (born 1968), American economist. He ''spoke slowly, softly and almost under his breath.''. John had a very normal childhood and he did not show any signs of psychological troubles. 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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In addition to the financial distress, his eldest daughter wanted to become an actress, which was not acceptable by John owing to his Conservative upbringing. As always, a great & engaging read. So he simply erased his total history to date and started somewhat successfully again. Please consider supporting NJ.com with a subscription. I didnt meet him until he moved in.. Its not a good read.full of his BS and tons of grammatical errors and misspellings. She and his wife were still in their bedclothes. List had sent word to school that he was taking his children to visit relatives, Moran said. When they entered the house, music was still playing on the intercom, but List was long gone. After being out there that long, List says, I guess I got to the point where I thought well, maybe I wont be caught., In 1989, one of Lists Virginia neighbors recognized him on Foxs Americas Most Wanted.. And that's the only time. It took Johns fingerprints to match with the military records to convince the authorities that he was John List. But their love story came to an end within 14 months. God is perfect. Pictures of Breeze Knoll frighten me not only because John List murdered his family there in 1971 but also because, well, think of the electricbill. Academic Background. Anyway, Was there any word on what happened to his family that he started after getting remarried? Setting Up From Cooking Back to Accounting. He was vice president and comptroller of a nearby bank, and his family lived in an 18-room mansion with marble fireplaces and an elegant ballroom. His salary rose to $490 a week. We all made a lot of assumptions, such as the fact that he didn't have any children, since his wife had been so sick. By then, he owned a 1974 Volkswagen and had gotten an accounting job The familyhad bought the house for around $50,000 in 1965. I did what I thought was best, she said. "I finally decided the only way to save them from that was to kill them," he said. ''I learned not to ask people personal questions, or you get your head blown off,'' Mr. Wetmore said. This weeks postwilltake a look athow Lists predicament compares with the kind of woe that affects homeowners in the new millennium and particularly after thesubprime mortgage crisis. In interviews in the last week, many new details have emerged about Mr. Clark's life over the last 20 years in Colorado and Virginia. Denver FBI agents say they received no information about the fugitive in their midst for 16 years after the grisly ballroom murders in New Jersey were discovered. I thought I was being real clever," he said. He was arrested in 1989 after a former neighbor recognized him from a profile on the syndicated TV show America's Most Wanted. Mr. Clark also changed jobs at this point, becoming a cook at the Piney Country Club in Parker, southeast of Denver, where he helped Mr. Wetmore obtain a cleaning job. '', By contrast, Mr. Clark would later tell his friend in Richmond that his first wife had been an alcoholic and a spendthrift who had died of cancer and that he had a daughter who ''was somewhat uncontrollable. The pastor, the Rev. First, a recap of theForensic Filesepisode The List Murders with some additional research from the internet. He was arrested 11 days later, and, after a jury rejected his diminished capacity defense, convicted and sentenced. On June 19, 1975, Mr. Clark joined St. Paul's Lutheran Church in Denver. As of 2018, Peggy, Dolores, and Connie are still alive. John List would be 97 years old if he was alive today. Ann: Theres an issue of cause and effect here. His dad used to go to the ball games. He defended himself saying that he was not mentally stable. New revelations in the episode include what List said through tears to his shocked and heartsick second wife, who hoped it was all some mistake and her husband was really the man she thought she had married Robert Clark when she visited him in jail. After the murders, investigators around the world began hunting for Mr. Following his high school graduation, he enlisted into the American military and worked as a lab technician. Too much drama. Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. The accounts of Mr. Clark's life as a fugitive - that for instance at a job in Denver he would take his lunch hour alone in his car listening to classical music -describe someone whose mien and manner hardly suggest a capacity for savagery. As I was doing it I knew it was wrong," he said. I'd tell him I wasn't going to get into that kind of mess again, and he said he wasn't going to either. Finally, Delores shook her head and said, Thats not my husband. I then dared her to show it to Bob and ask him, but I dont think she ever did. To the left are cowbells on a leather strap hung from a nail. ''I have been depressed over all this,'' Mrs. Clark wrote. On Oct. 4, 1979, Mr. Clark was hired as the comptroller of the All Packaging Company in Aurora, a suburb southeast of Denver, at a starting salary of $300 a week. They married in 1985. We became friends, you might say.. For the first time, she has her own tour bus. Mrs. Clark is 47. The two would have coffee and talk, though not about anything too personal. (The List Murders,Forensic Files). I am devoted to him.''. And when they did, he shot them, one by one. They were married a month later. John and Helen began dating and a few months later, Helen revealed to John that she had become pregnant. Yes, and the problem is that some facts are inconvenient to some people, or they infer from the citing of fact that ones making a swipe (and in this case, if the latter, it was a pretty mild one!) The FBI says that Clark is the alias List developed when he fled to Colorado after the Nov. 9, 1971, slayings in Westfield, N.J., an affluent suburb 15 miles west of New York City. ''He would say that he'd been married before, but that his wife had a terminal illness and took years to die and that he had taken care of her. They'll either have forgiven me or won't realize, you know, what happened," List told Downtown's Connie Chung in an interview at the New Jersey State Prison in Trenton, where he is serving five life sentences. He took a new wife, to whom he lied about his age and personal history. Love your posts, RR! He had been fired from all his jobs due to his cold demeanor and his inability to be social with his co-workers. If he did it once, he could have done it again, especially since they were having financial problems.. He was stationed at Ft. Eustace, Va., when he met the woman who would become his wife. WebTamon Pendergrass is an American celebrity, popular for being the son of renowned American singer Theodore Pendergrass. At the time of the murder, John was unemployed. ''She didn't want to talk,'' Mrs. Stefano said of Mrs. Clark. Clark was picked up 11 days after the Most Wanted broadcast dramatized the ballroom murders. But public officials who use lies to incite violence should have to answer for their words and actions. Divorce would have meant paying child support for three and possibly alimony. '', Mr. Clark, the friend added, showed no particular sensitivity about his past and tended to be even tempered. John List was born John Emil List, on September 17, 1925, in Bay City, Michigan, to John Frederick List and Alma Barbara Florence List. If he wanted out, why did not he disappear without murdering them. Long-lost ship found at the bottom of Lake Huron, confirming story of tragic collision, TikTok to set default daily time limit of 60 minutes for minors. Liberals and the US media largely composed of such conspire to present a blatently one-sided narrative. Colorado resident Wanda Flanery contactedpolice about a former neighbor named BobClark who had recently moved away to Richmond, Virginia. John was arrested and extradited to New Jersey. Human name disambiguation pages. He was sentenced to five consecutive life prison terms. They got him down in Virginia.. meticulously murdered his mother, wife and three kids. ''He was an introvert galore, if there is such a thing,'' Mr. Oldson said. However, the marriage was not very good. ''And I came in to the hotel from the mountains looking for something to do.''. The general manager of the wholesaler, Jim Roberto, confirmed that Mr. Clark had worked for him from 1977 to 1979. The family did not have a lot of visitors and it took the neighbours 29 days to notice that something was off in the house. In Denver, Clarks acquaintances say they find it hard to believe he is List. "So eventually I got to the point where I felt that I could kill them. It was one day out of all these many many years.'' Thats what Ive often wondered, he says. Ill keep searching! He took out the last $2,000 on the day of the killings, said Moran, who found the withdrawal slip while searching the house. Soon after his high school graduation, he joined the United States Army during the Second World War, where he worked as a laboratory technician. On June 1, 1989 he was arrested at a Richmond accounting firm after a Denver neighbor viewed the ''I only know Bobby Clark,'' said the Richmond friend, who asked not to be identified. He was the apple of her eye.. He chose not tocommit suicide because he considered it a sin. Bob was in the kitchen, working as a fry cook, Wetmore recalled. 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