The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. See what mine own hands have wrought. I can write the e-mails. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. Truth in love. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. End of Discussion. rm. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? Our statement: pic.twitter.com/Rin5W7eA8x, Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) August 31, 2021. If that is the last word then so be it. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. Market data provided by Factset. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. Cho resigned the next day. If we believe that the message in our books is from God, and we feel it so strongly, then we dont really need to promote it, do we? We stray from scripture at out peril: http://www.whatisthegospel.org.uk. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? 38, 31-32). There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. That is just nuts. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. [45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. March 5, 2021 . Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. Could you tell me the difference? [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." All rights reserved. Last summer I had the privilege to attend and worship at an Acts 29 church plant in Shepherds Bush, and I pray that God would plant more churches like it across the UK. It happens. [38] He has delivered multiple sermons where he discusses these issues. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. Cool name, cool Church I knew that it was one of the fastest growing mega churches in the USA, and had heard a little of its pastor, the dynamic Stephen Furtick. You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. Its only your perception and I would deny it. point taken). Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. When searching for churches outside of the United States, please search using city, country. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. JOHN: When you go out the door, there's one for each of you. I'm a bank robber. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. (You can read the follow up five years later! Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. I hope this mature and open enough for you! I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. Jenna Ellis,the churchs attorney,tweeted about the settlement. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. Oh and sorry about the ironic and sarky remark about being mature enough for you! Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. Really? (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Despite the blurb you are not changing the world. or redistributed. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). pokmon the series xyz. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. 3. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. Excellent post David. Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! Finally that book! I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Dear David, This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. As for his preaching, we will disagree. Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. 4, 3-4). The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. Pastor / Teacher. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. Cameron Buettel, Grace To You, Hillsong, Jeremiah Johnson, music, worship. Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. If I was a young Christian I know I could have easily been swept along with this stuff it seems such an attractive message, and he is such an attractive man. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. Ward's father, John Tucker, was also a member of the church who had been informed . Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. Do you still endorse it? Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. Do they not see the danger of this? . For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. It just looks weird. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. Hardly the same as Furticks message! Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. 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