No one walks away unascathed. He is the founding and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. @ Lydia: If you all think that personal shopping is sex abuse, you need to get real. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. * Now, it all falls into place: Wow, Im not the only person this happened to. This was real. This was wrong.. but 4 YEARS went by, even after John Ortberg tried to have the Willow Elders handle this 4 years Nancy Ortberg still didnt speak out. I suspect one does not not from creepy hugs, but research shows it is true in more ambivalent hugs, or hugs where someone is already inclined to have even a small degree of trust (e.g. I am quite curious what nonsense what posted now, because what?! Thanks for the info. The Body of Christ will be fine. I do and I wont allow this pathetic attempt to hurt another. Wouldnt a practice of permanently deleting emails create potential legal liability for the person and the institution? Do you want to know about Bill Hybels. But I believe the women who have been abused by Bill Hybels are telling the truth. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) I am going to add one further post that will be two pictures and then I will allow all these posts to stay for comment. He needs nothing, needs none of us, but He loves us and makes us a part of His plan. Jose has interviewed TOP CLASS Global Christian Leaders. (The servants name was Malchus. B wrote: Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. (I do think that helped me collect the red flags sooner, though). But thats over the course of 42 years of ministry! The church is doing fine. Nancy had no idea that he was doing this to other women. They need to do some reading. Church Discipline Most Pew sitters wont have a clue its going on but the staff is definitely affected. At times I have even wondered if it is not even being used to distract from addressing the root of the problem. I worked for a large pharmaceutical firm. I did, and he asked me to come up for a leadership talk, and told me to come alone. Now it seems we have a culture of corruption at Willow Creek from the Top-Down. Go back to JBs April 16 comment. Speak the Word when it is time and serve with love always. As I say if he had a true understanding of what his behavior had done he might give the kind of apology that these women want. I developed this over the last 10 years in writing curriculum on addressing systemic abuse. You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. Thanks, Barbara, for your outstanding work. All that to say, once these people leave WCC they realize the atmosphere there was not right, and yes this would include John Ortberg as well. I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. See, here is the problem . Wow!!! Why the need to put pastors in a special untouchable category? Or perhaps some women get hugged one way or the other disproportionately for one reason or the other and therefore complain or not about hugging-ness. Long after no one can remember Willow Creek and the building is long gone, Jesus will still be Lord. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JUdWApwbudQ. Its not great for innovation. In lego marvel rescue minifigure For the measure you use, it will be measured to you. I did this research a while back, so if Im remembering right, a few things I read indicated that the evidence destroyed/withheld would automatically be assumed to be against the legal case of those who destroyed/withheld it, and the jury was instructed that they were required to view the situation that way. I think people are starting to realize that even if someone starts out with good intentions, when they get power and money, they tend to be corrupted. But then, Im just The Crazy Kid, and hes always been the Sweet Little Angel. Are you so sure its the devil? Because saving his legacy saves Willow Creek. Now, if we mean that believers at Willow Creek (or outside of it) will grapple with Mr Hybels and the Elders sins in these matters as they themselves become more sanctified, I can see that perspective. Thanks for sharing the link. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. This is going to get worse before it can get better. 2,395 Followers, 144 Following, 415 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from @lynnehybels The gossip inspectors have arrived. What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. Near the end of this article, Dee posted this question for Willow Creek Church: Is it possible that Bill Hybels encouraged the leadership of women in order to increase his own access to women who admired him within the confines of church business, giving him plausible deniability? There is nothing wrong with this picture, this is the way it happens. Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. He lied when he told the Monday night Family Meeting that the unhappy marriage comment in the Tribune was just the result of a check-in.. Sad! I know. Jack wrote: So what does that say about what he thinks of me that he thinks he can help himself to my woman? He was once featured in a Christian magazine. They are pits of mass deception and subterfuge. Simul justus et peccator. (Spell check keeps changing it to percolator!). Not one. Bill Hybels, (formerly, William Hybels) was born on 12 December 1951 in Kalamazoo, Michigan, U.S. Bill called my hotel room in Sweden, in February of 1998, after a long conference day. Darn it! This is VERY common. God is a title. Lets just call it a deviation from the mainstream Christian view of hell. My answer is quite simple. Thank you for sharing your analysis of this! So Im now wondering. WCC defenders. If we do that, whether it is an elderly shut in praying for her friends and family in solitude or a person such as Peter standing in front of thousands, so long as we do whatever the Lord asks, that is a great work. None of the first seven ecumenical councils dealt with this topic, which pretty much means that the line of heresy was never defined. Excellent post. Hybels having resigned rather than face his accusers, what will WC do with Jesus and guided by Gods Holy Spirit? Paul spoke up, and evidently appropriate action was taken, for which the Church at large benefitted. Its the evil person who masquerades as a good person. They did exactly what most ministry people do. Does it lend itself to the overall problem? When was the last time you led someone to Jesus? 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). And Jesus does not need Willow Creek. The Church is built on Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, not on them. I dont want to think poorly of John Ortberg too. Yes, it should be mentioned. I know that unwanted full frontal hugs was a part of abusive pastors manipulations of women in a small rural church. And I admit to being raised that public displays of affection between adults was not the best as it might make some uncomfortable. As much as many hate reformed doctrine, there is much less of this particular error. They have changed so many lives for the good. I am NOT AMUSED! Interesting how you get it, but those in high places do not. I think I said in another thread, there are hugs and there are hugs and we can generally tell the difference. Shauna (Hybels) met her husband at Willow Creek before they went to Mars Hill and joined Rob Bells staff. If you (the church at Ephesus) do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. Rev 2:7. Most common reaction in the world. @ jackie: We are talking about someone very well paid to teach Jesus and model that teaching. Shauna (Hybels) met her husband at Willow Creek before they went to Mars Hill and joined Rob Bells staff. Finally, we are told to have high standards for our teachers. Hybels is a BS artist and a skilled speaker but also friends with very unrighteous people. This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. Not every Christian is called to be an evangelist, but every Christian should have a heart for the lost. I got a chuckle out of your comment to Brad. -Behaviors went on for many years No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. I highly recommend it, as well as his book, I dont understand the focus by this and other commenters on when did she tell her husband, When I got to his room, Bill had wine opened and waiting. The Devil is destroying yet another church. @ Thersites: Hint hint. They have much easier prey in a church setting, as the sheep expect the shepherds to be godly, trustworthy and above such things as looking to get laid. Willow Creek / Bill Hybels had IT powered by the Ambien Operating System. How many times do you think it needs to be posted? As it has been stated in widening circles of social media, under these circumstances (such as: improper investigation, witness discounting/tampering/intemadation, and most important lack of following scriptural guidelines) the Willow Creek 501(c)3 church organization by many credible voices has been deemed/proscribed as no longer a(n) safe or scriptural place to attend or be a part of. Jan 13, 2018. Sit under Jesus Christs leadership in the future. I read it that Jesus was doing the moderating. How many church leaders are not of His sheep ? Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. Try finding a church now that sings traditional hymns or doesnt use projectors and worship teams. No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. Is this a ruse to further that idea? We do not allow rank condemnation of anyone who has been victimized, even if said person doesnt believe them. Who though renowned for his wisdom, had a strong of Rich Kid with Famous Father syndrome. Where is the scribe? Its not a numbers game, its not like worldly sales with rainmakers and marketing and big hits. Im not convinced that his view of hell can be called heresy. I treated my childhood dog like a doll. Does this have any bearing on whether or not Bill Hybels was a sociopath, an abuser, a phony, a hypocrite, a philanderer? It was humbling for you, but there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. It is hard enough fighting rampant sex abuse in churches. And ironically, asking that question is why. But we are not talking about the secular world. As a consequence, I would urge caution in using thw word heresy with respect to this particular topic. But I now see how he used his relationship with me as a shield, both during and after our marriage, so no one would question his relationships with other women or scrutinize his writing as anything other than feminist. William Hybels is an American author and church figure. Once again, power is used to disrespect and mistreat others thereby inflicting invisible but very real, very painful wounds. It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. Again, I thought not much more of that conversation until years later when other stories emerged that included Ambien. You had a bad leader, and a bunch of elders who were unwilling to accept that, and call him on it. What would you have suggested she tell her husband? Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. This is Uncharted Territory for them. I will keep the website updated. And I go back to one of my earlier assertions about celebrity. 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