Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you, And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith. We would also be able to identify any error, about anything, instantly. In this way, God only APPEARS AS the Son and the Spirit. Received you the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? And He therefore that ministers to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Galatians 3: 2 and 5 Because it was trapped in their unbelief. Is that godliness? >> Jesus Himself said that He (as the Son) spoke nothing on His own. He is wrong about the Trinity. I dont mean that you might create a circumstance where God has already made decisions about what will happen, as when someone dies after a lifetime of rebellion. Thats his conclusion. His reason? And from what you have quoted, has definitely made some statements that go beyond Scripture. Theres nothing left for Him to do. Answer Steven Furtick is the lead pastor of Elevation Church, based near Charlotte, North Carolina. Once born again the believer needs to grow. Furtick is the founder and senior pastor of Elevation Church, based in Charlotte. Pastor Steven Furtick is the founder and lead pastor of Elevation Church based in Charlotte, NC. Thank you for your encouraging words. Real-time updates and all local stories you want right in the palm of your hand. Sure, it is noted he was not appreciated in his home turf, but bottom line, Jesus himself marvelled at their unbelief, which is another way of saying, lack of faith, which has a lot to do with receiving things from God, even salvation as, he gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12. Pastor Steven Furtick (left), of Elevation Church, and Pastor Terrell Murphy, of New Birth Charlotte, pray together before a large crowd at the close of a shared service for the two churches at Cricket Arena in Charlotte, N.C. Furtick and staffers get together in a camper parked next to Providence High as they prepare for a Sunday sermon. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. GodWords has been around for a long time, and being a web professional Im very good at making effective websites. Furthermore, nobody has a problem with the father speaking to the son, or the son speaking to the family or any of the other ideas that are used against the Trinity. Instead, the New Testament is chock full of instruction and correction about how Christians should live, think, and act AFTER were saved. He is rare he actually tells how life really is and tells his own fears and struggles that people can actually relate to. Theres some really helpful information in there. Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Unfortunately, many false teachers have perfectly orthodox statements of faith. Tony, I know you dont need a cheering section or anything, but I cant help it when you make points I have been saying for years. Im more likely to listen to someone who doesnt point fingers. In addition, its been condemned by Christians as heresy for the entire history of the church. It makes the most sense to apply it to Revelation, as it IS a book of prophecy. Our mindset is important, but we need to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. Both of us having what I would describe as a crisis of faith. Gabriel, in. Slew of child sexual abuse lawsuits could bankrupt the Diocese of Sacramento, bishop says, Deputy rapes woman at traffic stop and tells her she wont be charged, Tennessee cops say. A defining feature of most Word of Faith teachers is known as the little gods doctrine. It would be a mistake to apply these penalties to any other passage of Scripture, as the context will not allow us to do so. Why say that He AND the Father would indwell us, rather than simply saying I? I just came to this discussion after hearing an amazing worship song on You Tube from Elevation Worship. For example, if the ancient Israelites obeyed the terms of the old covenant, He would bless them. Dont you see? On that, modalists agree with the Bible. God's Got Your Back Part 2. Ive been wondering why people say hes a false teacher. While this, by itself, is not necessary heretical, its silly. Yes, the first quote as noted is not heretical. Unfortunately, all of that while meaningful is entirely irrelevant to the question of whether Steven Furtick has taught falsely. (Our church is all about the numbers . Now, one could take that too far. Some laughed, some wiped away tears as the steady line of people headed for the changing rooms. But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Seven-Mile Miracle: Journey into the Presence of God Through the Last Words of Jesus. Notice he did heal some by laying his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. Is a numbers junkie, which explains why his churchs annual report includes the number of baptisms and decisions for Christ in the previous year. Theres nothing wrong with that. This is an incredibly common practice, and it should not be. The idea of Trinity is a theological one. If you dont receive it in your heart, you limit what God can do. He bares his heart in vs 2-14 as an example for what it means to fix our eyes on Jesus. I also have no doubt I could be friends with Furtick, given the opportunity. In context, Furtick is teaching about how we see ourselves versus how God sees us. Not Maybe Jesus chose not to exercise His power because they wouldnt acknowledge Him as Messiah, or Maybe Jesus decided not to perform more miracles because people didnt really want to be healed, or Maybe Jesus knew that more miracles would accomplish nothing for the Kingdom, or anything like that. Wake up. NC Rep. Dan Bishops opposition to hate crimes amendment draws heated debate. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. To me it is just reiterating, Matthew 13:58. This is, quite simply, unbiblical. Romans 12:3. Named . THAT is where people who follow Jesus should get their information, and THAT is where all theology should begin. Here are a few other special cases that people try to plead: Its clear that you feel comfortable suggesting that the apostle Paul knew less about following Jesus than you do. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. Youre asking for advice, rather than advising. David Chadwick said about Elevation. Other translations, using thousands of additional ancient and biblical manuscripts, render it differently. The truth is that oneness doctrine cant explain why Jesus prayed to the Father, was sent by the Father, went back to the Father, and so on. To be more precise, the Word of God teaches that there is only one God, and The Word of God also teaches that God is spirit. As for this modalism, that claims the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one person and not distinct persons, yet Scripture clearly teaches that Jesus is the mediator between God and man (1 Tim 2:5), so he exist separate from God the Father, being God the Son. Because I know my God. He's built a church empire with his "feel good" preaching, attractive worship, and excellent packaging. Like you, I think we should be careful about making accusations. Ernest Angley made the same kind of claim: By begging God in fear, doubt, despair, rather than asking in faith, He is limited. As with all Word of Faith teachers, this demotes God to a subordinate position and elevates man to a superior position. That would make Him subordinate to the law, and to the one who gave the law. This is where you read a section of the Bible and you add to it. Jesus healed people because of the faith of others. Rather than revealing who weve been all along, following Jesus actually results in a change. He has no inside. The Holy Spirit is spirit. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. There are two primary ways that people interpret Scripture. Your email address will not be published. Knowledge is important but it alone doesnt save. The Bible is full of examples to the contrary. I mean to say that it hasnt always been combined into a single volume with other inspired Scriptures so, when Jesus referred to this scroll, he wasnt referring to the inspired writings of Luke, or Peter, or Paul. Instead, its modalism: the unbiblical idea that God is ONE person that appears to us in different modes, or manifestations. It is fascinating to watch in slow motion and magnified. Thanks. Thanks for your work. Lets be clear: this isnt the same as a Christian going on a non-Christians show, or the same as an orthodox Christian going on TBN and challenging their false beliefs. 14), some have weaker faith and some stronger. I end, if I did not reach my max, with Thessalonians 4: 6-9. First, I didnt call you irresponsible. (Furticks parents named him Larry Stevens Furtick Jr.), 2. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. Will be a week or so. What can we say about these people? But, I also do not agree nor do I know where you get, I suggest that Paul knew less about following Jesus than I. I also did not initiate the idea Paul needed to be humbled, as I got that from Paul, who said that about himself; Lest I should be exalted above measure at the beginning of verse, 2 Corinthians 12:7 and to make it clear, he then repeated, Lest I should be exalted above measure again at the end of same verse. It might be that the only real problem is that hes watching while young and impressionable children are around and that he just hasnt thought about that. In the latter, he even did an impression of Sylvester Stallone. Second, we know that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Dont make this about you or me. He had a physical ailment that was never healed. In feeding the 5,000, the faith of Jesus disciples wasnt what allowed Him to multiply the loaves and fishes. Any person who went through good theological college would have known about sound theology of three persons in one God mystery. As apologists it can be tough not to throw stones when we see raw contradictions to scriptures. If I like a soft drink and tell people its good, they might drink it too and find out later that the company is run by terrible people who eat babies and torture puppies. Do you see it now? But as for, thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. (Thats two behind Michael Jordan and two ahead of retired Bank of America CEO Hugh McColl. I appreciate you. As founder and lead pastor, he has helped grow the multi-site Elevation Church. He's more performer than pastor. Why is that? Anyone who disagrees with what Furtick teaches must a) be envious, b) ignorant of how God has blessed his church, and c) a deceiver. Recently, I was watching a message by Pastor Steven Furtick, who is a fellow Southern Baptist Church planter and senior pastor of Elevation Church, which is also affiliated with the same. One of the main issues that cause both false teaching and teaching in error is reading verses out of context. If the truth sets us free, then lies keep us bound. Its not. I wonder whether hed really like me after finding out that Ive written about him. The problem is having volunteers appear to be regular attendees who are eager to be baptized. Because basically it comes down to; He did not, because he could not, because of their lack of faith! Are you trying to defend Furtick against the claim that hes a false teacher? The problem is not, and has never been, the people. God is not limited by creation, but is above creation, transcends creation. Instead he was internal He said its good that Im ghosting you. One example: "Visionary Love/Dream Sex.". Right, Jesus did miracles to show he was God the Son, as in, When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. These were not unbelievers, but believed and even asked for Jesus to come heal Lazarus. They can easily search and find him, but I wont facilitate it. First, it contradicts Scripture. Are you simply discussing one particular theological point because its interesting? Of the many false things they preach, these are two things I hear the most: 1) Jesus healed everyone he encountered. Typically, oneness folks will cut and run when asked to defend their view. Jesus was. Im eager to improve. The only legitimate claims of modalists on this topic are the ones on which everyone agrees: there is one God. Jesus sacrifice paid for us to be redeemed from them all. Im sorry to hear about your crisis of faith, truly. Okay, I have taken enough of your time. Good question. Which goes along with; That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, Ephesians 3:16,17.Here is the Spirit and Christ mentioned in the same verse, showing oneness John spoke of, the one in the inner man and the other in the heart. Heres what we know from the passage itself, from history, and simple logic: Because Revelation is usually the last book in the compilation of books we call the New Testament, we have a natural tendency to see it as the summation of what came before. It Was A Good Fight. Had a grandfather who was a Methodist minister. I thought I left a reply but apparently didnt go through. Pastor Steven Furtick (left), of Elevation Church, and Pastor Terrell Murphy, of New Birth Charlotte, pray together before a large crowd at the close of a shared service for the two churches at. And without the necessary attitude described above, we are apt to fall for the logic of those who are disingenuous, self-seeking teachers who take advantage of the flock. Theres no limit to what God CAN do, but there are limits to what He WILL do. Im open to the possibility that Im wrong, of course. Hindus will need you to specify which god youre asking about. As founder and lead pastor, he has helped grow the multi-site Elevation Church into a global ministry through online streaming, television, and the music of Elevation Worship. I want to be discerning. Its good that I leave in physical form because then I can give you in spiritual form, then I can direct you from a deeper place.. But, seeing that you have an aversion to faith folks, you are not going to relent. Heres a quote from Furtick for your consideration: Do you agree with Steven Furtick on this matter? Its not unreasonable. God is spirit. Having said that ,he may be the only source of the gospel to many. The question is not whether our faith plays a part in how God interacts with us, including healings. Hi there! Ill give you another shot at a one-word response. =). MANY are quietly doing exactly that: being used by God to grow His kingdom. 174,204 talking about this. A reasonable conclusion from the text might be that Jesus did fewer miracles there because fewer people, not believing in Him, came to Him to be healed. I have no idea what goes on in his head, but I do know that he teaches things that contradict Scripture indisputable things. The issue of Furticks misquotation and conclusions about the text isnt the biggest issue, but it does point to a common problem for him and other false teachers: they feel comfortable saying what the Bible doesnt say. And yes, its true that many who follow false teachers ARE saved there. This is modalism, the same error that Furtick makes. As does Satan. He is unique. And my God will convict you let you know the word is right or the word is wrong.. That is why we have the Holy Spirit when you discern what is right in the world and what is wrong in the world you are led by the spirit of God I disagree with you I believe that you are wrong doctor you are a fake preacher you should not get on this Social Media stuff and tell people things that you really dont know. "I got married after my freshman year of college, and gave birth to my first daughter shortly after. PO Box 1679, Fort Mill, SC 29716 | Customer Service: 1-877-857-2244 | Orders: 1-888-777-1896. Jesus wasnt blocked. First off it also said in the Bible that no one has the right to judge anyone but God this is the problem with the world today no compassion at all Steven furtick is a great preacher and has lead a lot of people to the lord another thing that the Bible said is jealousy is a sin and a lot of people get jealous and start speaking bad things about other people you know Im so sick of this if you are truly a man or women of God and a true Christian then we dont speak bad on others Jesus died on the cross for us so we can be saved this is not how Jesus is nor will he ever be!!!!!! Singular: just like in English, the number of subjects that the verb applies to. The very idea of salvation contradicts that notion! When you find where God wants you, it will be satisfying and rewarding and frustrating and youll need patience and grace and perseverance because the church is filled with broken people who are in the middle of being put back together. Right, John 5 speaks to Jesus ministry, doing his Father work verse 17, again in Acts 10:38, going about healing all who were oppressed of the devil . P.S. Certainly Gods actions are, at times, conditional. The old saying; If I had a nickel for every time this was presented. Well anyway, I would have a lot of nickels! Martha did not believe that Jesus would raise her brother Lazarus from the dead (John 11:2324, 39), but our Savior resurrected him anyway (vv. That fits with other texts, so maybe He didnt heal people who didnt want to be healed. After all, someone might say: whos to say that God is NOT energy? If you disagree, I struggle to imagine why you would continue to argue about whether Furtick should be trusted to teach the gospel. Unfortunately, based on his own words, hes not like that. website creator Elevation Church Pastor Steven Furtick told his congregation Sunday that he was sorry for any uncomfortable conversations they may have been forced to have about his controversial new Waxhaw home. We dont really have a way to accurately compare it to anything, and comparing is one of the key ways we understand anything. From start to finish, this is wrong. The problem isnt that he said something that isnt true. This indepth info is showing a envy for his church and a single point of view. Feeling encouraged by a false message, confident when they should be repentant, etc. How about occasionally giving the gospel . In my experience, people who are willing to be led by the Holy Spirit into a clear understanding of Scripture will change their minds easily. If Furtick is right, then the Law was ignored in favor of love and so Jesus did not take our place. | Screenshot/YouTube Elevation Church Pastor Steven Furtick and his wife, Holly, have received criticism for celebrating a music project produced by their teenage son Elijah Furtick, which celebrates guns, sex and designer clothes. Lets all open our Bibles and compare what we believe with what God has said, and adjust our beliefs accordingly. recalled Jennings. Jesus decisions about who to heal could have had several reasons or hundreds, or thousands behind them. Sure, if a false teacher is someone who says false things, but on this scripture we are discussing Matthew 13:58, I will stand with collaborating scripture I have shared and with Matthew Henry, and with Furtick, if need be. The fact that something is IN the Bible doesnt mean its an instruction from God. You inspire me to work harder to be encouraging, so youre awesome. Essentially, the principle of Trinity exists all around us. First: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are properly understood as God. I am glad you dont have that aversion , as Hebrews 11, the Faith Hall of Fame is full of great deeds of faith, speaking of those who moved God with faith. John Calvin comments, Unbelievers, as far as lies in their power, bind up the hands of God by their obstinacy; not that God is overcome, as if he were an inferior, but because they do not permit him to display his power. Jesus did not do miracles because performing them would have been against His purpose to judge those who were unwilling to believe. Furtick puts the power in the hands of the unbelievers, rather than in Gods hands. Salvation by faith through grace ? Doctrinally, its immensely problematic to suggest that Gods ability to do ANYTHING is limited by ANYONE or ANYTHING. But, Jesus knew that a resurrection would be greater show of his power, than a mere healing! Did Father God forget to send out a memo that these responsibilities have been passed down to you? Peter called Pauls writings Scripture and Paul called out others in exactly this fashion. God wasnt powerless yet Steven Furtick claims that He was. I get why these actually misdescribe the Trinity and are ultimately unhelpful. Questions about false teaching often raise emotions pretty high, so thanks! It reminded me of conversations I have often had concerning Christs fulfillment of the law. And theres one thing that even Jesus cant do. Hang in there, Nicole. Its especially bad when we publish our bad decisions as a guide for others. He then proceeded to North Greenville University and graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in communications. Study the Scriptures. Afterward, they reconvened at a 24-hour diner to talk about Christ. Gamaliel didnt know whether this new sect of Jesus-followers was from God or not. I dont think so, and Ill bet that you dont really think so, either. 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