A year later, MacDonald apologized for the harsh discipline taken against the three men, adding that Harvest had meaningfully and mutually reconciled with them. Perhaps the Holy Spirit prompted Lina to share from the HEART. No, I dont as well as many others. Harvest elders announced this morning that they were forced to take immediate action on Tuesday to end his 30-year tenure. The practice of medicine is not an exact science; neither is navigating very tough and painful circumstances such as this. My response, Why? In his statement released this week, MacDonald continues to criticize the church for its treatment of him and cites the successful arbitration as confirmation that the truth has been on his side all along. Good for you and speaking up. I questioned a particular sermon that clearly was unbiblical but no one else did. Fear is never a godly way of governing. Therefore, we are at our most open to hurt. The edited . Thanks for finally being honest. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. for less than $4.25/month. Most of my friends as well. Thank you for having the courage to write what you did and for your ministry Lina. Pastor James MacDonald preaches at Harvest Bible Chapel. There is no timing to sharing pain. Unreal as I went to Harvest for over 7 yrs and this whole situation has hurt so many people. Or they, too, are so rotten at the core that they dont care. Can you please contact me from the Contact button on my web page here? Were they unaware of what was happening behind the scenes? Lastly, we need to comfort hurting today, she wrote. I used to go to a church in AZ pastored by Jon Gaus. So are you saying that there is mind control of the underling staff and of the rank and file members going on at HBC? I dont really care what someone else thinks. The elders ordered church members to separate themselves from dissenters for fear of their souls; called MacDonalds critics behavior satanic to the core; and accused them carrying out an attack by Satan against MacDonald and Harvest. The Elephant's . Many were kicked out and shown the door. Over the summer, they agreed to try to make a joint statement and start the process of relational reconciliation, the Harvest elders said, but the efforts didnt pan out. Not one. The devil may win some battles, but we know God ultimately wins the war. He went recently, saying the time had come. Wow. But, thats my opinion. In the arbitration, MacDonald retained the rights to Walk in the Word, a part of the church that had put on his teaching ministry and popular radio broadcast. If you ever make that offer again, Ill be there, but please post on Twitter. In 2019, Harvest initially did not release these assets, assuring the congregation, none of Harvest Bible Chapels or Walk in the Words donations or assets have gone to James, and we will not be giving him anything in the future since his termination was with cause. The year prior, Walk in the Word brought in close to $8.5 million, with 2,000 stations airing the show. A worship song says He gives and takes away, He gives and takes away, and still my heart will say Blessed be the name of the LORD!. Were they afraid? On February 13th, the elders at HBC fired MacDonald, citing highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald that were given to media the day before. I speak as one who has gone thru it, like you. I left Harvest CL 3 yrs ago after being forced out of a ministry and other thingspart of the membership indoctrinationyou are not allowed to say anything disparaging against church leadership or the church. DONT defend these people in any way!! The more I think about the demise of Harvest Bible Chapel and James MacDonald, the more I believe that fear is the cancer at the root of it all specifically the fear of James MacDonald. So long that lawyers all wonder why I waited so long- but trauma takes time to recover from. I have always wondered why you left Lina but didnt know you personally to ask. Voices heard together make a difference. My family attended a smaller Harvest church close to Elgin. We never gave up on God because He never gives up on us. First, they resigned, along with a third elder (who was not excommunicated only because he also left Harvest and was no longer a member), in protest of how the church was being run. Brave. She is free to speak of her experience, nothing mean about that. He did the same. Same as your departure, not a single person reached out to see how I was doing once I left my job. Lina, given your vast experience, It is ironic that the experience at Harvest should be seen as a culture of fear. Then, on February 8th, Roys revealed material obtained under subpoena that backed up critics claims that Harvest Bible Chapel inappropriately took money from HBF. Sign up to get our top five trending stories delivered every weekday! Church Online is a place for you to experience God and connect with others. No church is, because they are all filled with sinners like us. I am ashamed to say that after being a member at Harvest for 8 years, that was the first real conversation I had had with an elder about the state of affairs of the church at that time. While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. Everything that is painful for everyone and anyone has been talked about endlessly for weeks. Harvest Bible Chapel has fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald following years of controversial behavior, financial scandal and allegations of bullying and intimidation. 7. Mind you, I didnt simply walk out. Hes my brother in Christ. My blog had indirectly undermined James. I left Harvest about a year before you did, and I also stayed, for the most part, silent out of the same fear you described. 2. Lina, Its been over a year and a lot has changed at Harvest and a lot sill needs to change. Do You Really Have to Go to Church Every Sunday? I also managed to write an apology to James for the pain I had caused him. Critics of the church are just bitter. We left a church where the pastor specifically told me, I am in charge! He said this while glaring at me and enunciating each word. I would recommend A book Joy Starts Here and The Pandora Problem Facing Narcissism in Leaders & Ourselves as helpful to possibly understand how whats happened can be explained and perhaps bring healing and prevention as members move forward. I appreciate your voice. Or is he in effect the church, with an elder board that exists only for show and to rubber stamp his decisions? The only hope is to totally exposed and excise it so that all will not be consumed. I hope that the cleansing and purification will come to Davenport as well. The evil at Harvest is a nasty stage four cancer yet has invaded the entire body. A woman who is full of fun loving life. Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.. Fear can lead to many sins. I pray others in leadership read your post, check their hearts, and follow suit. I have always wondered why? Did you know that Satan and his minions come to Harvest? What had these individuals done? He is not being bullied. You are courageous! We have now been without a fellowship for nearly a year (we are missionaries in Europe) because I do not want to join a happy clappy crowd who would not know the Word of God were it to bite them nor do I want to join a fellowship where the Word is extremely well known but there is no life, no joy. There are people there I thought were my friend and as soon as my life takes a left turn and happens out of order (first came baby then came marriage and then another baby) I get ousted out and judged and hurt. Is this an informed opinion? These churches do not usually belong to any denominational body; this means that these pastors have no body above them that they are accountable to. I have or attend 3 or more small groups a week now and feel alive. While I have no say in the future of Harvest, it is ridiculous to think that any healthy future can take place until the cancer is removed. Finally, we have landed at a church with a passion for others, our hearts have healed and by going there I was introduced to your bible study Resolved. It completed my healing. Start praying for Jesus to heal the entire body of which He Alone is the Head. Even now, many years later, the enemy could still, if I let him, get me questioning my motives and trying to persuade me I was in the wrong not the shepherds. whos fault is this? Id like to think its the fear of man spoken about in the Bible but I think it often goes beyond that. While tens of thousands flocked to campus, school officials met in a storage closet to make decisions that would honor what is happening.. (images of wife beating and mental control come to mind) Thank you for your openness and sharing! Oh my how that resonated with me and the experiences my beloved and I have had with churches in the UK. Saying he had hit a "wall of exhaustion" in June, Lead Ministry Pastor Greg Bradshaw said he is not only leaving Harvest, but also the ministry. Again I dont blame James MacDonald. Where there is no vision and freedom the people perish. What are you authorized to do? As a nation, something painful will bring us back. James MacDonald and the leaders of HBC did that with their own hands, hearts, & minds. Im praying for you. The Jews ebb and flow toward God followed a pattern. My heart breaks for the ones who will walk away from church and walk away from God. She approached this with sensitivity, wisdom and grace. you managed (a wording that says, you knew it was not right, but did so out of self protection) and humility because as Mancow is now saying, James had alligator tears of his hurt to make you feel guilty. Or were you saying they were bullied too. (Matthew 12:33-37). I kept thinking people would wake up and see the truth and understand that my leaving was not a betrayal to James but a stance against his leadership style, and the leadership style of the XLT, and James sons, and most of the remaining elders. It truly is the Lords work. I feel like I cant trust my own judgment any more. I continue to pray for the people this has affected, the elders and pastors, and that the darkness will be continually exposed to the light. I too have had similar experiences in another church (The Chapel). It is a shame to Christianity what is happening here. When I left my job I stayed at HBC for about another year before leaving entirely. The elders were given a paper that laid out their duties, that mostly consisted of protecting, encouraging, and blessing the senior pastor. This isI believewhy the American church has lost its effectiveness. My current church I actually joined, unlike Harvest, and have been there five years and counting now. I am sorry I am so late to discover this article but I had to respond to this comment. This journey has taken me several years. Lina, a number of years ago I was reading one of your books while waiting for Gordon Z. to join me for lunch. Pastor James MacDonald, of Harvest Bible Chapel, was given the boot last week by church elders after "highly inappropriate . Or share it. Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. Thanks for writing it. All I have to say Lina is thank you! She put words to my feelings and I am truly blessed by them. Rotate positions? I choose to stay through this pain because, for me, leaving would create a wound that would never really heal. It was engaging at times. The confidence I hang on to today is that whether I am approved or critiqued for this opinion, it is Christs love that will catch me and his arms that will continue to sustain me when I close my eyes at the end of each new day. I was always greeted with a kiss by a cute missionary girl that went there. Since I know I am capable of the worst sin, I am choosing to show grace and praying fervently. A new believer has lost faith because of the shameful behavior of HBC leadership and all you can say is question the new believers truthfulness of his account? DeeperWalkInternational.org. I do know that my faith will not be shaken. I am airing on the side of no. Agreed Sheila. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. 4. These are the same elders that signed off on James filing the law suit against the Ryan Mahoney and his wife, Scott Bryant and his wife, and Julie Roys! For you to step back and taken ownership of your piece in the large (very large) puzzle, is a humility and grace only Jesus can provide. I didnt want to upset James. He just got into the worlds standards for a preacher. James said it many times himself, chose to sin, Please anchor in on John 7:24. Its very important that people share their stories. Sheila, we are not called to be good, we are called to be HOLY! Continually praying for healing, reconciliation and restoration for His church. This scandal that were going through has really rocked my world. Yes, God has this in hand, but that doesnt mean He wont ask His children to do the hard work of calling out sin in unrepentant believers. Sarah, I am so sorry for whatever happened to you. Welcome to the Video Broadcast ministry of Cornerstone Bible Church. I should have left that week, but I was too afraid to cause damage to Jesus and His kingdom and the women I was leading at that time. 102 reviews of Faith Church "I have been to a few churches in my day. I feared offending people. In any case, we had a final meeting with the pastor and his assistant pastor (who was his son-in-law) to tell them that I was leaving their church. Why not start a different type of church that is not pastor directed? Streaming Video Broadcast. And then unfortunately when we do speak up we get comments like yours saying why nowit seems Christians cant win either way. Let us examine ourselves for unconfessed sin and seek to live in fear of the Lord lest bitterness overtake us.. needless to say she did not go back and found a great church she was able to become a part of during her college years. I feel foolish for allowing myself to be misled for so long. It seems to me that theyve had years to repent and make things right. I then called an elder who was a friend and someone I trusted. And it wasnt just some random bloggers saying these things, either. I had a bad experience at the Chapel myself. I wonder if this is an area where youd feel free to minister; where people leave the church and are forgotten. But a true Christian focuses on Christ and His Word. These are the last days! I grew up in the Church of Christ. Why if it wasnt really a real sinful mess would so many in leadership just exit and give up what was a big part of our lives and our kids lives? [] While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. Nellie, Your comments are without sound knowledge of the depth of this I am SO glad that Lina has allowed the grace of Christ to free her from the culture of fear that controls Harvest Bible Chapel, and I am impressed by her willingness to speak in such as grace-giving way that will speak freedom to others who are hurting from this. Five years ago, Harvest Bible Chapel, a Chicago-area megachurch with multiple campuses and an average weekly attendance exceeding 12,000, sent shock waves through the Christian community when it publicly excommunicated two former elders and indirectly censured a third. My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book.. God bless. Both can be messy, but in the latter case, responsibility for that mess must be laid squarely at the feet of the abusive Elders who are sinning, not at the feet of Christs little ones, the oppressed members of Christs flock, who are being caused to stumble, nor at the feet of those attempting to triage the wounded and sound a warning to others who are in danger of being I do have cds and dvd of contemporary Christian artists. I thank you for your willingness to risk being misunderstood while offering your experience to help reduce the shame of others, who need a hand to hold, as they work through their own healing. I hate to be James because God judges leadership harsher than the regular sinner. I asked my surgeon why the procedure is called radical, he replied that even the seminal vesicles have to be removed along with the prostate, otherwise the cancer may return! During Sunday services, Harvest showed a videoof members of the current elder board explaining why the church was placing the two former elders under church discipline: Church matters are not to be tried in the court of public opinion. He told me that I would be cursed for questioning his authority and God would punish me. see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/, I would love to chat and learn more of what you are doing. I no longer help lead a larger mens ministry. Jesus may be truly calling people to stay, and rebuild Harvest Bible Chapel. To heal enough to communicate and receiving shaming comments like yours. This is also why as a follower of Christ it is so important to know and learn Gods word so you see when something isnt right. Thank you. There are larger lessons to be learned. Leak of highly inappropriate comments by founding pastor of Chicago-area megachurch caps months-long clash with critics. Im also going to sign up for LWP. And your part of the problem. Theres a difference between stirring the pot and exposing false teachers as the Scriptures instruct us to do. Have you ever read this piece on how sick systems keep people controlled? Because ultimately what God wants is not a huge army of women who are nice. Those of us that have experienced spiritual abuse and church hurt personally can truly resonate with your story. I also assumed that because of the size of Harvest, those closest to you would reach out. I didnt want to risk any negative impacts on my own growing ministry. My father went through prostate cancer. The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. You are joined with so many ex harvesters that were wounded deeply by what became a toxic culture at HBC. Just because its a church building with leaders doesnt mean that Christ is leading it. Secrest, who founded the church in 2016 and affiliated with Harvest last September, said he didnt know at the time about the ongoing concerns raised about MacDonalds leadership and the churchs financial status, which led to Harvests lawsuit last year. Its so very difficult but This is Gods battle and I only need to be obedient not the fixer. God has been known to use even a donkey and a false pagan prophet to speak His word. He lists grievances against Harvest including a false narrative in financial matters, a hostile takeover, shunning our family, the wrongful seizure of the ministry assets returned to him in the recent arbitration, and a vicious but unsuccessful strategy to end our ministry permanently.. Hmm. I remember when I saw the tattoo that James got and I remembered the line from The Davinci Code about the Chevron symbol. Pray for those still there trying to care for the confused and hurting hearts. The reason why people are coming out now or again is because finally due to being outed on a National Radio program something is finally being done. She did not claim it was her trurh , but opinion. Many might wonder why it all still matters to me so much. Basically hes a figurehead who can be dismissed on the whim of any elder or his wife. you felt through James harvest mentality, you would be rebellious against authority if you stood up The message we received was they were sorry we felt that way and they were sure it was not his intention. Still. Thankful for the freedom you have found and are willing to speak up. He bullied his way into being paid multiple times for the work he was hired to so as the pastor, sermons and bible teaching. chose to suffer. There is NEVER a healthy or spiritual reason for suppressing truth. Nothing will change at Harvest if the cancer of fear is not exposed . Shes not the only one there are many. Perhaps my fear had its legitimate reasons. I will be praying for you. Your truth was not conceived in fasting or deep prayer and it sure isnt loving. We have seen this very truth of Jesus teaching publicly demonstrated by Mancow and many other witnesses. . That occurred right after eight former elders sent a letter to the current elder board, claiming that MacDonald was guilty of self-promotionlove of moneydomineering and bullyingabusive speechoutbursts of anger[and] making misleading statements. Harvest countered by accusing those eight former elders of great sin and defiling many people., The three censured elders said Harvest maintained a culture of fear and intimidation that destroyed relationships. MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical in January, following a tumultuous few months defending Harvest in a defamation lawsuit against its critics and in the aftermath of a World magazine investigation into mismanagement at the church. You do not know if she fasted or not, nor do you know if the Lord Himself brought her to this revelation. Thanks for speaking up! I dont take joy in this situation, but I rejoice in the truth. Its by an unbeliever, but wow, is it eye-opening. Excited for the new study, hoping One of your teachings would be chosen. Im thankful you and so many others I know have left with dignity and after a bit of healing have jumped back into churches where they are serving the Lord with all their hearts using the gifts God has given them so faithfully. Pray for all the lost and unsaved who are not hearing the Gospel and our testimonies right now from our lips because sin has been made the main thing. Looking back over my life I see how all things have led to today. The current model for pastor directed churches says that the senior pastor is the priest this is Old Testament. Its where I was led to Christ. I, like you, am so thankful for how God has worked in me and my family through the ministries at Harvestincluding the teaching and selfless service of Lina, and so many others (some who have left, and some who chose to stay). Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: Its Not About Winning Football Games. sheripine@cbcglendora.org. Well, that same year, my wife was hired as the childrens pastor at the church we had been volunteering at on Wednesday nights (because our church had nothing going on) and I myself have been ordained as a deacon and have even had the privilege to preach on a Sunday morning. No one asked why I quit attending after 15 years. As a former Muslim, I grew in my walk with GOD because Pastor James teachings from the GODs Word. Check out Moreno website, http://www.godsonlygospel.com. 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